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Post by Hermione on Aug 25, 2003 6:29:52 GMT 10
Snape hates Harry cuz:
Snape loved Lily. Lily loved James and broke his heart. After James saved his life, he felt he needed to do the same for James. Snape was a death eater, he found out about the prophecy and felt that was his chance to repay James however it was also because he couldn't bear to see Lily die. He mightn't have known who wormtail was and could have thought it was Sirius (It wasn't James, Peter was dead and Lupin was out of the question). Snape went to tell James but James didn't and wouldn't believe that his good friend Siri was a DE and told Voldy where they were. The Potters died and so on. Snape hates Harry because he is much like his father (appearance and such) and reminds him that James is the reason Lily died (well to him anyways). He always helps Harry out in his times of need because its in return for James saving him.
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Post by Hermione on Aug 25, 2003 6:32:16 GMT 10
All Snape Fans Do Not Read
I think Snape will die saving Harry. I don't know but I have a feeling he will. Or if it's not Harry, it's his new found love he's supposed to meet in book 7
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Post by duckky on Aug 25, 2003 9:06:36 GMT 10
i believe snape just hates harry because james & sirius were just a ba$tard 2 him...so harry is just a reminder of snape's suffering in school i dont believe for a moment snape was in love with lily i believe snape fell in love with anotha girl, who was killed by voldie himself becoz she refused 2 join the DEs...& snape was so upset & angry that he came back 2 the good side, & yea.... ...maybe that's why he's so bitter? (becoz he lost the love of his life) & jk rowling sed something about finding something out about snape's lovelife, & maybe in book 7, instead of the person he loved comes, maybe someone comes in that is a reminder of who he once loved, & harry finds out, via something or rather, eg pensieve? & well, i tried creating a fanfiction about this, but i dont know if its lame or not so im not going 2 mention the rest of my theory...
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Post by callisto on Aug 25, 2003 17:36:27 GMT 10
I think both of your theories are good! ;D I'm still not sure which is more believable. At first i thought it was likely to be a Lily/Severus thing but, now i agree more with the "mystery woman from Severus' past" theory". It makes more sense. I also think J.K was talking about a past love coming up in book 7 (dead or alive) rather than a new love. But it's hard to say coz they've still got that DADA position to fill. OMG! I hope Severus doesn't die!!
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Post by duckky on Aug 26, 2003 11:00:24 GMT 10
yeh, thats true, i agree with that past love coming back, rather than new love...
im saying either the past love woman comes back, or someone that is a reminder of his past love comes in the 7th book...heheh
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Post by callisto on Aug 26, 2003 11:40:38 GMT 10
Yeah! Or the truth about what happened with that past love will come out. I think the reason he turned against Voldemort and why Dumbledore trusts him has something to do with a woman.... Or something along those lines anyway.
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Post by hp on Aug 26, 2003 12:06:01 GMT 10
OOC:
As far as the Snape loving Lily theory...I think it's quite the opposite.. I think Lily loved Snape, and the love was unrequited...snape didn't like her back, and so she married James...
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Post by callisto on Aug 26, 2003 13:13:15 GMT 10
Ooooohhhh..... i like the sound of that! ;D Hee hee... i don't know if i quite believe it, but... there was definitely something going on in that memory of Severus's. That would explain why she stuck up for him... she was very defensive. She also seemed shocked and a little hurt by his reaction (not just the name calling i think) So yeah, another good theory! ;D
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Post by §illy on Aug 26, 2003 15:30:27 GMT 10
OOC: As far as the Snape loving Lily theory...I think it's quite the opposite.. I think Lily loved Snape, and the love was unrequited...snape didn't like her back, and so she married James... that does sound more like it.. she was standing up for him.. then he called her a mudblood.. dont think that is the reaction of a guy in lust with her..
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Post by duckky on Aug 26, 2003 16:09:11 GMT 10
omg...i read this theory, & u CANNOT believe how freakily coincidental it is!! btw, it is not my theory, it is anotha person's theory, & altho this sort of goes against what i belive, its so scary how ironic it is!!!!
Adam Davidson: As I reread the chapter of OotP when Harry enters Snape's pensieve, I noticed that while he was inside Snape's memory at Hogwarts, no one addressed Snape as either "Severus" or "Snape." Members of James's gang called him "Snivellus" or "Snivelly" every time. We didn't even see Snape's name on the top of his O.W.L. test. I also noticed that James called Lily "Evans," and did so many times. I began to wonder whether or not Snape was called Snape back when he was at Hogwarts. I remembered how Tom Marvolo Riddle used an anagram for his name when he sold out to the Dark Side, and I thought Snape, the former Death Eater, might have done the same. Imagine my shock and horror when I realized that the same letters used to spell "Severus Snape" can be rearranged to spell "Perseus Evans." Now, Snape did call Lily a Mudblood, so they are probably not siblings...but perhaps half siblings, or cousins?
Btw, there is something about the name 'Perseus'... Perseus is a constellation (JK Rowling has a thing about naming things after constellations, eg, Sirius, named after the DogStar) & Perseus was a figure in Greek Mythology most famous for the slaughter of Medusa, who was once a beautiful maiden with beautiful hair...& get this, she did something bad to Minerva(also known as Athena), so Minerva the goddess stripped Medusa of her powers & changed her hair into snakes...anyway, too much mythology here, so let me continue with Perseus... Okay, with Perseus, he was prophecized to kill his grandfather, which he fulfilled many years later, altho by accident...Perseus was sent on a suicide mission by some dude named Polydectes, who was in love with Perseus' mom...the mission was to get the head of Medusa...apparently the gods really liked Perseus, because they helped him alot, and he did defeat Medusa...he then married a girl...everybody, brace yourselves...called andromeda...now, everybody knows that she's the mother of nymphadora tonks, our beloved metamorphmagus(is the sp/ correct?)...now, everybody, y did jkr make n/tonks a metamorphmagus? so harry did not find out about tonks being snape's daughter, becoz tonks was so often found changing her appearance...eh...eh?? also, Perseus killed Polydectes and his followers too (Voldie? Dumbledore? Seems like both Albus and Voldie have sent Snape on what seems to be "suicide missions")
how coincidental is all of this?? altho i doubt he'd kill dumbledore, & he cant kill voldie...but still, very interesting stuff...
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Post by §illy on Aug 26, 2003 16:13:46 GMT 10
its greek to me! LOL sorry had to... Yes Ive heard those before.. and the theory that Lily and Snape were related.. and the reason Snape didnt like James cuz the way he treated his cousin... www.sillyone.com/SSnape/theory.htmgot a bunch of em.. you might find some you like bits of.... yep...
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Post by duckky on Aug 26, 2003 16:23:37 GMT 10
but like... i was so excited wen i read it, it was soo....ironic! heres another theory....
by someone or rather, but it isnt me.... Having re-read chapter 16 i feel that the bar man of the Hog's Head is probably Aberforth Dumbledore. This !is backed up by the following: 1:Harry thinks the old grey bearded man looks familiar. He recentley saw Aberforth in the picture shown to him by Moody of the original Order of the Pheonix. 2:It would be useful to have someone in the Hog's Head to glean news from people of a dodgy background. 3: Goats, In book 4 we here how that Aberforth was prosecuted for practising illegal charms on a goat. The hogs head smells strangely of something that could be goats. 4:His grumpy mannerisms suggest he doesnt really want to be running a bar, but could be there under orders. 5:He wipes glasses with a dirty cloth. Clearly his first priority is to listen to the customers' conversations 6: Dumbledore seems to know alot of what happened in the Hog's Head, perhaps Aberforth told him.
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Post by hp on Aug 27, 2003 4:36:16 GMT 10
Btw, there is something about the name 'Perseus'... Perseus is a constellation (JK Rowling has a thing about naming things after constellations, eg, Sirius, named after the DogStar) & Perseus was a figure in Greek Mythology most famous for the slaughter of Medusa, who was once a beautiful maiden with beautiful hair...& get this, she did something bad to Minerva(also known as Athena), so Minerva the goddess stripped Medusa of her powers & changed her hair into snakes...anyway, too much mythology here, so let me continue with Perseus... Okay, with Perseus, he was prophecized to kill his grandfather, which he fulfilled many years later, altho by accident...Perseus was sent on a suicide mission by some dude named Polydectes, who was in love with Perseus' mom...the mission was to get the head of Medusa...apparently the gods really liked Perseus, because they helped him alot, and he did defeat Medusa...he then married a girl...everybody, brace yourselves...called andromeda...now, everybody knows that she's the mother of nymphadora tonks, our beloved metamorphmagus(is the sp/ correct?)...now, everybody, y did jkr make n/tonks a metamorphmagus? so harry did not find out about tonks being snape's daughter, becoz tonks was so often found changing her appearance...eh...eh?? also, Perseus killed Polydectes and his followers too (Voldie? Dumbledore? Seems like both Albus and Voldie have sent Snape on what seems to be "suicide missions") how coincidental is all of this?? altho i doubt he'd kill dumbledore, & he cant kill voldie...but still, very interesting stuff... FIVE TIMES WINNER OF THE MOST UNLIKELY PROPHECY INTERPRETATION AWARD The one to vanquish the dark lord will be .... drumroll please... none other than Severus Snape! If you subscribe to the theory that Snape was the DE who overheard the prophecy this could literally mean that Snape was physically approaching Ddore and SPT. Perhaps not, as many think refering to 'born to those who have thrice defied the dark lord' but more like 'born to those who thrice defied their son' Do we know when Snape's birthday is? It could very well be the same as July 31. Also, another interpretation could be that 'seventh month' refers to a person born in the seventh month, somewhat like calling someone, the scorpio, or leo so he would be born as the Leo dies. Perhaps his mom died in childbirth? Snape is an Occlumens, if LV knew that, there is no way Snape would be alive still. I subscribe to the 'triangle' theory. I say this line is referring to three people, not two. I think there are a couple of 'eithers' and one 'other' I say the other is Pettigrew just because of the hand reference. So it's something like: Either Snape or Voldemort must die at the hand of Pettigrew. Neither Snape or LV can live while Pettigrew survives. A repeat of above first line.... Why is this prophecy true? It's just like you said about the story of Perseus. He was Prophecied to kill his grandfather (Tom Riddle) This would also explain why he rails harry all the time about being famous...it should be him. Of course, I don't really belive any of this... Stay tuned for more craaaaazy prophecy interepretations. ;D (hmmm this would make a fun game...invent prophecy interpretations to fit different characters...) I will eventually put up what I really think the prophecy means...
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Post by hp on Aug 27, 2003 4:55:53 GMT 10
Okay okay okay...here's what I really think the prophecy means. I have two theories, I'll start with the Harry/Peter interpretation first:
The one to vanquish the dark lord will be both Harry and Peter Pettigrew.
I believe the it was Pettigrew who overheard the prophecy, and therefore was physically approaching Ddore and SPT.
From this point on, the prophecy takes a double meaning, refering to two different people, Pettigrew and Harry.
Perhaps not, as many think refering to 'born to those who have thrice defied the dark lord' but more like 'born to those who thrice defied Peter their son'
The part that refers to Harry takes on the standard interpretation of 'defied the dark lord three times at least'
Peter:Perhaps his mom died in childbirth? Harry: was born when the seventh month dies...
This refers to Harry and Pettigrew's life-debt, which I think will play a significant role in the undoing of Voldemort.
As I said before, I subscribe to the 'triangle' theory. I say this line is referring to three people, not two. Either Harry or Voldemort must die at the hand of Pettigrew. Not the silver hand, but the hand Pettigrew sacrificed to make LV's new body.
Neither Harry or LV can live while Pettigrew survives. Because of the life debt. Since both Harry and Pettigrew were used in the creation of LV's new body, LV's got a connection to both of them. The spell the LV used was tainted by the life-debt the Pettigrew must pay to Harry.
This line refers exclusively to Harry, as Pettigrew is already born at the time of the Prophecy, but Harry is not. Therefore the change in tense indicates that this part refers to harry.
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Post by duckky on Aug 27, 2003 20:49:00 GMT 10
i wasnt interpreting the prophecy...what made you think that? or are you referring to something else? i apologise if u were...
isnt it ONLY harry that can kill voldie? dumbledore sed that himself, correct me if i'm wrong... u've got me boggled about the peter pettigrew thang & the triangle..._^ oO __
if voldie had the power 2 sorta see thru harry(like the way harry can see thru voldie's eyes), then wouldn't voldie have noticed something? also, along with this, i'm just assuming, that snape became a potions teacher while he was a DE, so that he could do a spying job for voldie...& if so, wouldn't he need 2 learn occlumency anyway from voldie or somewhere else 2 avoid dumbledore finding out about his true self?
And what is SPT?
btw, if i'm wrong abt anything, plz correct me, coz i have the habit of skimming thru pages sometimes, & miss out vital info...but this is just my pondering thru thoughts...
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Post by §illy on Aug 28, 2003 0:33:56 GMT 10
well thats interesting.. but the reason I dont buy it...... is then why would Voldie need to hear it? I mean... Wormy would tell him that dontcha think?
I think that James overheard it... I have nothin to back it up! LOL just a hunch...
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Post by hp on Aug 28, 2003 13:08:17 GMT 10
i wasnt interpreting the prophecy...what made you think that? or are you referring to something else? i apologise if u were... I know you weren't, but it reminded me of the prophecy because Perseus is predicted to kill his grandfather... maybe his grandfather's .... wait for it.... Voldemort... There is some speculation about this. Dumbledore did lead Harry to believe that he was the one to fulfil it, but we know how JKR likes to hide evidence in plain sight and prophecies are rarely straightforward. Notice the odd language used throughout it. The logical reason for the evasive language is that it isn't what it appears to be. The other thing is that Dumbledore never actually goes out and says..."Harry you are the One." But yes, we are lead to believe that Harry is the one the prophecy is referring to. Well, actually I kind of took the word triangle from a series of HP fan novels I enjoy.. (HP and the Psychic Serpent, HP and the Time of Good Intentions, HP and the Triangle Prophecy) It's a triangle because it referrs to three people instead of the implied two. As far as Pettigrew, I really think the wording of the Prophecy is important...and the fact that JK used the word 'hand' especially so. The only person we know with a hand that stands out is Pettigrew. I'm not quite sure what you mean here, but I'll give it a shot; I don't think he did notice anything, even while he was occupying Quirrel, he didn't seem to catch on that Snape might have been playing spy. I think LV might be relying on Legilimency to gather info about people, instead of good old common sense. It's a bit of a crutch for him now. Since Snape can do occlumency, perhaps LV wouldn't even dream of Snape's spying... Actually, according to OotP, Snape became potions teacher after the first fall of LV. It was the chapter in which Umbridge was rating the potions class. I think he said he'd been teaching for ten years, which would be four years after LV's fall. Sibyl P. Trelawney No, problem, I like the feedback ;D
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Post by hp on Aug 28, 2003 13:11:16 GMT 10
well thats interesting.. but the reason I dont buy it...... is then why would Voldie need to hear it? I mean... Wormy would tell him that dontcha think? But remember that the DE who would have overheard it, only heard the begining, because they got themselves kicked out of the Hogshead, where Trelawney was giving the prophecy. And the DE did report the bit they knew to LV. Ohhh....are you implying that James was a DE? ohh that has interesting implications...poor Harry! :: loves angst of this sort ::
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Post by duckky on Aug 28, 2003 16:14:16 GMT 10
well, i sed this, & i'll just re word myself becoz its confuzzing
ok, well, u knoe how dumbledore doesnt look at harry directly becoz harry has a link between voldie with the scar & its becoz sumtyms voldie can see thru harry's eyes like harry can see thru his(like wen harry had a dream about him being the snake that bit mr weasley), & if voldie can sort of see thru him, then wouldnt he have caught on that harry was getting occlumency lessons from snape? or am i confuzzing my thoughts up & something else is going on?
lolz well, with my theory on perseus/snape hey is andromeda dead?? becoz if she is, she might have been killed by voldie for not joining the DEs & snape mite've come back on the good side 4 that, u knoe, how perseus married a woman called andromeda & all... & if shes alive, well, i probably skimmed that part out too & i'm making a fool out of myself...
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Post by callisto on Aug 28, 2003 19:32:21 GMT 10
You know i was wondering the same thing. If Voldemort can tap into Harrys mind then would'nt he know that Severus was giving him Occlumency lessons?! One other thing that confuses me ... is Severus really back in with the Death Eaters?! I mean Voldie whould know that Severus was totally against him getting the Philosophers stone and foiled all Quirrels attempts to get it....i mean how could he not know that?! And Lucius must know that Severus was let off on charges for acting as a spy.... so, why are they still such good friends?! I'm sure he would've told Voldemort all about it. And we all know he's not a very forgiving man. Any ideas?? I like the Perseus & Andromeda theory. Very interesting! We don't know where she is, but Tonks' father is supposed to be a muggle named Ted. I'll admit i'm partial to the idea that Severus is somehow related to Harry, that would be the icing on the cake! No one mentions the family history of the Snapes or even more mysteriously the Potters?! Who and where are Harrys grandparents?! I've got lots of theories and ideas about this but i'm going to go on a thorough evidence hunt first Hee hee i love theories ;D *so many questions, so little time* Oh, i think Severus has been teaching for 14 years.
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Post by duckky on Aug 28, 2003 20:12:02 GMT 10
u knoe wat, i think voldie's pretending 2 let him in, but will punish him severely later...i don't think they'll kill sevvie, they'll torture him beyond belief, & keep him as sane as possible, to make it more painful for him...i dunno, it's just a crazy-out-there-feeling...
well, i'm going 2 query about 10-yr-old mark EVANS, who was beaten up by dudley in book 5...i think he's going 2 go 2 hogwarts in book 6, coz in book 5 he was 10, & there is just something about his surname (if you havent noticed^^) that sounds very fishy...& jk rowling doesnt put anything in2 the books unless it had relevance 2 the story, & i mean c'mon, the book is already long enuff, y'd she have 2 add in the lil part about mark evans? yeh, u probably are thinking the same is meh... & i was always wondering why everyone made such a big fuss over wat lily's maiden name was...
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Post by Hermione on Aug 29, 2003 7:20:21 GMT 10
I think both of your theories are good! ;D I'm still not sure which is more believable. At first i thought it was likely to be a Lily/Severus thing but, now i agree more with the "mystery woman from Severus' past" theory". It makes more sense. I also think J.K was talking about a past love coming up in book 7 (dead or alive) rather than a new love. But it's hard to say coz they've still got that DADA position to fill. OMG! I hope Severus doesn't die!! I kinda believe that too all I believe is he was in love at one time and that has something to do with why he's bitter
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Post by Hermione on Aug 29, 2003 7:37:25 GMT 10
I found a fabulous theory called: Bunnies
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Post by duckky on Aug 29, 2003 8:21:22 GMT 10
plz tell tell?
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Post by Hermione on Sept 1, 2003 2:27:09 GMT 10
I forgot where it was....going to find it...
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Post by NarcissaSnape on Dec 10, 2003 18:24:52 GMT 10
Snape hates Harry cuz: Snape loved Lily. Lily loved James and broke his heart. After James saved his life, he felt he needed to do the same for James. Snape was a death eater, he found out about the prophecy and felt that was his chance to repay James however it was also because he couldn't bear to see Lily die. He mightn't have known who wormtail was and could have thought it was Sirius (It wasn't James, Peter was dead and Lupin was out of the question). Snape went to tell James but James didn't and wouldn't believe that his good friend Siri was a DE and told Voldy where they were. The Potters died and so on. Snape hates Harry because he is much like his father (appearance and such) and reminds him that James is the reason Lily died (well to him anyways). He always helps Harry out in his times of need because its in return for James saving him. I hate the whole Snape/Lily thing. I said it on the first day I posted here,and have repeated it so many times that people should know that. I have my own, original theories about Snape, and I believe in them!
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Post by hp on Jan 22, 2004 21:02:26 GMT 10
What's everyone's opinion on Tonks?
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Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 22, 2004 22:10:43 GMT 10
She seems ok... bit mysterious of course... hopefully she'll be in the next book so we can find out a bit more about her...
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Post by Hermione on Jul 1, 2004 8:03:10 GMT 10
Actually, according to OotP, Snape became potions teacher after the first fall of LV. It was the chapter in which Umbridge was rating the potions class. I think he said he'd been teaching for ten years, which would be four years after LV's fall. Yeah he said 14 years...
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