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Post by Sailor Earth on Jul 5, 2003 0:49:43 GMT 10
;D
Anyway... so what were your thoughts on James in this book? ;D
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 1:15:02 GMT 10
I didn't expect james to be like that. i mean i thought he would have been quiet like harry. but i think snape decided to follow James, SURIUS,peter, and LUPIN because sirius and lupin did mention that james and snape tried to curse eachother every time they got the chance. so i was kinda surprised that it wasn't the other way around... like draco is to harry.
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 5:56:24 GMT 10
well Im glad that James got taken down a notch or two in Harrys eyes.. meaning that he doesnt think his father was perfect lil person... and that his father was a bit of a git.... and he knows it now.. OF course.. I hate that he doesnt see all that Snape had done for him.... he could have given Umbitch the proper truth serum... and it would have been all over... true Harry was bright enough to figure it was some trick of sort... but when Umbitch asked for more.. he was very cool about it... and kept Harry safe yet again, from revealing all he knew... but what Im suprised was they didnt reveal that Snape and BLack are related.. I mean.. most of the pure bloods would be related.... maybe burned off the 'family tree' for a reason or so.. but ... Snape wasnt a git as a student.. as James and Sirius both said ... well its more that he exists... and YES.. Im recalling some of my youth... and many peeps hated me for no reason.. other then I existed.. and the populars didnt like me.. with Snape that means the Dudly syndrome that well.. if you like Snape.. that means you are less then cool etc... so Snape was way into learning ... studyin... so is Hermione.. and no one is tippin her upsidedown to see her undies! and now that Snape has seen Harrys past a lot like his... he prob has some empathy very deep down... or satisfaction? that James' kid got a taste of what James did to him... hmmmmm :::: scratches head ::::::
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 6:29:18 GMT 10
Yeah i think that snape had a hard time as well in his past as harry has. i mean you could compair and contrast them all day and it would surprise you how much they are alike...lol (not that i have the time to do that but it would be intersting to find out)
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 6:39:36 GMT 10
well there are core things alike in many peeps.. characters etc...
its the choices made that make the differences..
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 6:52:12 GMT 10
yes i agree, and do you think that snape just realized this face when he broke into harry's mind or do you think he knew all along that their pasts were simlar
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 6:54:25 GMT 10
actually I think that Snape is so bitter towards James/Harry that he never gave it a thought... that maybe Harry didnt have the lil pampered life that Snape figured he would...
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 6:56:24 GMT 10
that is what i thought he just now got a tast of harry's life and realizes that it is not all fun. it is more like a nightmare
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 6:59:36 GMT 10
but he is still very angry.. and all those years of loathin etc.. I dont think he felt bad.. maybe he felt a satisfaction of some sadistic sort.. I mean.. I dont know they didnt say... and SNape is still protectin Harry even if the main reason is to save HIS skin more then Harry's... the truth potion would have revealed SNAPE's part in all the deatheater things.... so he was rational about that... and gave her the fake potion...
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 7:02:54 GMT 10
Snape shows he cares for harry in strange ways. ,maybe being a deatheater has hardened him..well u would have to harded like that or die! Voldermort is no person you want mad at you.
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 7:16:01 GMT 10
well he did say he isnt one to wear his heart on his sleeve.... thinks its a sign of weakness more then likely.... or maybe he now hates Harry more... because he doesnt like to think he has anythin in common with Harry... as Harry wants nothing in common with Voldie.... ahhhhh...
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 7:21:22 GMT 10
ok i see how he would want nothing in common with harry and harry deffinately wants nothing in common with volermort, but harry is voldermort's equal.
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 7:50:14 GMT 10
yes.. he marked him as his equal....
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 8:11:13 GMT 10
so don't you think that harry is trying to find out who he really is?
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 8:55:28 GMT 10
well I think he has always wondered... and since no one thinks he can deal with anythin at all... its adding to his frustration.. I mean if someone keeps telling you that either you are too young.. or you wont understand.. at some point you will
1. get so angry you think the worst 2. believe it and become less then you could 3. work harder to achive something that isnt your ultimate goal.. become someone you think you might or should be... instead of who you are...
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Post by Sailor Earth on Jul 5, 2003 11:38:32 GMT 10
Hmm... but then why did Voldemort "choose" Harry... and not say, Neville...? The prophecy related to both of them...
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Post by §illy on Jul 5, 2003 11:49:06 GMT 10
well maybe James and Lily did something....the defeated 3 times thing.. maybe... the Longbottoms were great Arors... but did not 3 times..
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Post by Sailor Earth on Jul 5, 2003 11:59:27 GMT 10
Hmm... yeah...
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Post by hp on Jul 5, 2003 13:00:26 GMT 10
OOC: I think the book says that the Longbottoms did, in fact defy Voldemort three times. I'm working on memory here, but I think it was in the DD explanation scene.
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 5, 2003 13:36:42 GMT 10
yeah i think you are right. Voldermort also picked harry because he was half and half just like himself so maybe he (voldermort) thought that it was like seeing himself and what he could become (as powerful as himself) ( IF this is confusing (which i know it is) it is because i am really really tired.. )
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Post by hp on Jul 6, 2003 16:42:13 GMT 10
OOC: I agree with you. And also, I think it's interesting that Harry's got a bit of Voldie in him and Voldie's got a bit of Harry in him...I've pointed out before that the name 'Tom' means 'Twin', and Tom is certainly like a twin to Harry, especially since they've got a bit of each other in them now.
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Post by §illy on Jul 7, 2003 4:33:58 GMT 10
I am you and you are me and we are all together.. coo coo ca choo...
sorry.... the spirit of John Lennon takes over at those times... hahahahaha
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Post by SiriusBlack737 on Jul 7, 2003 12:19:25 GMT 10
"i solemly swear i am up to no good" lol ok yeah u are right voldermort is like harry's twin!( but nothing like my sisters (they are real twins) )
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Post by Ranasp on Jul 12, 2003 13:06:11 GMT 10
Ok, I thought James was a real ass in that memory of Snapes, however it did say that he wound up getting a wakeup call of some sort later on (maybe it was that time that almost killed Snape and he realised that it was getting out of control?) I was glad that Harry saw that particular memory, because he even thought that James was acting like Malfoy towards Snape, so maybe he'd actually think a bit of why Snape acts the way he does. It was too bad that Snape was going completely bezerk when he found Harry, because I bet if Harry had told him right then that he thought his father acted like a jerk, Snape might have snapped out of his automatic hatred of Harry. I think both Black and Snape have the same problem of looking at Harry and seeing only the father, instead of seeing a child that grew up in a COMPLETELY different atmosphere. Snape might have also been starting to see that when he was getting flashes of Harry's past, and seeing how closely it related to his own. I hope in the next book both Harry and Snape get a mental slap and see just how alike they both are, and no, not become friends, but call a truce of sorts. (like, I don't really like you, and and you don't really like me, but there's no real reason to provoke eachother either).
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Post by §illy on Jul 13, 2003 2:19:04 GMT 10
yep.. I agree....
Harry is still mad at Snape for eggin Black on.. now he cant be mad mad at him for saying all those things bout his father... he saw he was a jerk..
think bout if you ever had a bully pick on you for no reason.. for more then a couple times.. you arent gonna be over thrilled to forgive and forget.. and James was not the only one doing it.. when a popular picks on someone.. it kinda makes it the green light to pick.. *its not right.. but it is how things happen....
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Post by Ranasp on Jul 13, 2003 3:14:20 GMT 10
Heh, as a master grudge holder, I know that the whole "forgive and forget" thing is hard to do. However, when there's bigger stuff going on that's a lot more important than personal feelings from the past, well, ya gotta figure out if its worth it more to make someone else's life a hell as vengeance, or to keep a massive evil from taking over.
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Post by §illy on Jul 13, 2003 19:02:04 GMT 10
well he tried.... I think that it ran too deep is all...
you can only 'be civil' for so long.. its a stressful situation.. and even the best of friends crack under that at times.. so peeps just bein civil.. well..
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Post by Ranasp on Jul 14, 2003 2:46:58 GMT 10
Yeah, I was going to say that he was already doing well by agreeing to teaching Harry at all and protecting him too.
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Post by §illy on Jul 14, 2003 10:50:10 GMT 10
well imagine helping out someone that you really dont like at all.. no matter the reason you dont like them.. just go save their life why dontcha?
not as easy as it might sound..
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Post by Ranasp on Jul 14, 2003 11:56:14 GMT 10
I believe it.
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